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GDL Member	posted April 04, 2003 09:34 AM Any ideas/guesses/wishes for the 2004 GA Archives? This does not count the perennials, such as All-Star, Plastic Man, Spirit, which appear to be a given. Assuming we get at least 6 other GA Volumes to choose from, I'd like to see, in order of importance to me: GA Sandman #1 (Of course) GA Scribbly/Red Tornado #1(done-in one) GA Dr. Fate #1 GA Hawkman #1 Dark Knight #5 (this series needs to catch up) Johnny Thunder #1 What would YOU like to see? ------------------ Proud member of Hal's Emerald Advancement Team Hal fans aren't going away...YOU "Get Over It"! Hal Jordan is Green Lantern, Jim Corrigan is The Spectre Also co-founder of the Golden age Sandman club/group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldenagesandman/ DEATH to the 90's Tinfoil Age Of Comics! Green Lantern 1940-1993 IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 04, 2003 09:50 AM Well, my top 6 from the D. Stepp poll was: 1- Sandman 1 2- Green Arrow 1 3- Hawkman 1 4- Dr. Fate 1 5- Starman 2 Since I now get to add a 6th book, I will list Blackhawk 2! ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
Bgztl Member	posted April 04, 2003 10:08 AM For me, . . . 1.GA Hawkman 2. Dr. Fate 3. GA Sandman 4. Scribbly & Red Tornado 5. GA Flash 2 and (drumroll please) 6. Tomahawk [had to beat that drum again] IP: Logged
DStepp Member	posted April 04, 2003 10:34 AM Wants or expectations? Wants are not the meaningful probably. My best guestimation (assuming we get 6) is: Wonder Woman #4 Starman #2 Dr. Fate #1 All-Star #10 Plastic Man #6 Suprise #1 I imagine the Superman itch will be scratched with Man of STeel #1. Batman is uncertain. They may also exceed 6 next year and do 7 and 7. The Dr. Fate should be somewhat cheap since many of those tales have been reprinted. Also, Plastic Man may run out of gas soon as the Cole content may be getting a little lite. D. IP: Logged
Coleo Member	posted April 04, 2003 11:16 AM A few questions: Just when will we start to see significant amounts of non-Cole work in the Plastic Man Archives? IIRC, up through V4 it's all, or mostly Cole. Is it a fairly clean break, or a period of transition with varying amounts of work by Cole and others? Does anybody have a breakdown? Also, has there been any indication from DC that they intend to finish off Starman anytime soon? Just how many Burnley stories are left, and how dramatic is the shift in quality after he leaves? Cole Cole IP: Logged
jape Member	posted April 04, 2003 11:55 AM OK, if DStepp says its seven, its seven: Shazam 4 and All Star 10 are both be on my personal 'would love to see' list as well as near the top of the general 'very likely to appear' list. After that, I'm guessing Simon & Kirby are overdue for an archive (if Joe Simon isn't currently suing anyone) and I think it'll be Newsboy Legion 1, possibly cross-promoted with the 70s Newsboy Legion revival in Kirby's Jimmy Olsen run, which we're told is getting a TPB. Sandman would be a more obvious S&K volume, but what do you do abnout the green-suit-and-gasmask version? (I know WE know what do do, archive it now, but I'm not sure DC's thinking that way) And then: Dr Fate 1 Superman in Worlds Finest 1 Flash 2 Wildcat 1 Wildcat? Popular character in JSA, maybe due a mini-series, possibly going to be popping up occasionally in Catwoman. The archive could happen. I'd buy it... IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 04, 2003 12:13 PM Depends in part on the rest of 2003. I'm (back to) provisionally assuming that the mystery GA volume 1 this year is GA Hawkman. If Hawkman isn't the choice for the sixth slot this year, then I thnk we'll have it next year. But this year's still could be Superboy, or the All-Star/BAACB compilation. If not Superboy this year, than if it's finally available, it'll be next year in place of the Superman volume I list below. Anyhow, for 2004, I'm for no real reason assuming a continuing expansion to 16, split 9/7 Silver/Gold: All-Star 10 Sandman 1 (or Dr.Fate 1) Batman 6 GA Starman 2 GA Flash 2 Wonder Woman 4 Shazam 4 This backs off on Plastic Man, which may be losing just a little of its luster in the non-specialty market as the Spiegelman Factor fades with time (this is conjecture on my part, and may be entirely mistaken), it finishes a short-run series (Starman), it catches up on Flash, which is egeregiously late, it gets Wonder Woman and Shazam! on a firm regular footing, and it satisfies the need for regular infusions of Batman material. I agree with DStepp that the need for Superman material will be met by SA Superman (and also by either Supergirl or World's Finest--or by both). My personal preferences would be much more expansive in both numbers of volumes and numbers of new lines: I don't care if I see any new Golden Age Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman material published for the next several years. If I were the publisher, and publishing for my own preference (but with some sort of eye on being able to sell these things), I'd do something like: All-Star 10 Shazam! 4 GA Flash 2 Starman 2 Blackhawk 2 Sandman 1 Green Arrow 1 Newsboy Legion 1 All-American Western 1 Nine volumes, aiming for a total of 18 for the year. Not likely in anybody's universe but mine. IP: Logged
CMCINTYRE3600 Member	posted April 04, 2003 02:02 PM Wasn't All American Western an Anthology? I don't see them archiving that, concidering their treatment of superhero antholgies. Chris IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 04, 2003 02:13 PM If DC issues a "Comic Cavalcade Archives", in its entirety, the no-anthology rule is repealed. Any anthologies that haven't had a character Archived can be potential Archives. If a line-up is strong enough, DC might give it consideration. That said, I don't expect it. Not anytime soon, anyway. IP: Logged
CMCINTYRE3600 Member	posted April 04, 2003 02:51 PM Actually, I would love an anthology Archive, but I don't see it happening either. I forgot about Comic Cavalcade, though. DC's not really a company to stick hard and fast to the rules. The prefer to pick and choose, pragmatically jumping around depending on the individual circumstance. Chris IP: Logged
chris_ccl Member	posted April 04, 2003 03:01 PM 1. Sandman 2. Starman 2 3. Green Lantern 3 4. Flash 2 5. Dr. Fate Yeah, I know. I'm not that original. Chris ------------------ Collected Comics Library T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents IP: Logged
arromdee New Member	posted April 04, 2003 03:10 PM How about Shining Knight? (I know the Frazetta issues were near the end and wouldn't be in volume 1, but how many would it take? And how good were the pre-Frazetta issues?) IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 04, 2003 03:26 PM OK, I'm assuming 7 volumes in '04. All-Star is a given Wonder Woman seems to appear ever other year Flash, because he is way overdue Starman, to get it out of the way Batman, because the stuff sells, and Dark Knight and WFC have been issued more recently Hawkman. The current title should give this a boost Sandman, because the agitations on this board ought to count for something; right now only Hawkman and Sandman are getting constant discussions. Fate must wait. Plastic Man might be out of gas; the Diamond numbers have been dropping steadily, so I'll say it moves to a bi-annual frequancy. No Plas in '04. I really wanted to put Captain Marvel on the roster, but couldn't with both Starman and Flash getting some long deserved love. Marvels get an annual spot starting in '05 (the reproduction barrier will be broken in '06, so Jr can start alternating with Cap) I thought about "Superman in WFC" in place of Sandman, but I think the SA Superman will take that spot. Still no Superboy. If it suddenly gets the green light, the one to bump would be Sandman (that just bumps him to the top of the '05 list). Damn, there just aren't enough slots! IP: Logged
vze2 Member	posted April 04, 2003 05:55 PM quote: Originally posted by Coleo: A few questions: Just when will we start to see significant amounts of non-Cole work in the Plastic Man Archives? IIRC, up through V4 it's all, or mostly Cole. Is it a fairly clean break, or a period of transition with varying amounts of work by Cole and others? Does anybody have a breakdown? Also, has there been any indication from DC that they intend to finish off Starman anytime soon? Just how many Burnley stories are left, and how dramatic is the shift in quality after he leaves? Cole Cole Someone, I think Steve or Owen, but I'm not sure, mapped out 15 volumes of Plastic Man which completed all of the Quality issues. As I recall, 13 were solid Cole. I haven't confirmed this. I think Starman has only three or four Burnley stories. I have no idea how it changes after he left, although I think he was arguably the best DC artist at the time. As for my 6: 1. Starman 2 2. Flash 2 3. Spectre 2 I'm not saying this is the best material, but I'd like to see short series finished. 4. Assuming the reproduction is good: The Ray or Black Condor or Doll Man. I think The Ray is most likely, but I'd probably prefer Doll Man. It's a close race. 5. Captain Marvel Jr. Again assuming good reproduction. Also, I'm not sure where this fits in chronologically with Shazam!. If it makes sense to put out one or two more Shazam! volumes first, then Shazam! replaces Jr. 6. Something unexpected. Something like Scribbly, All-American or All-Star Western, Johnny Quick or Newsboy Legion (the most likely of the unlikely in my opinion). Of course, this doesn't mean that I don't really want to see Hawkman, Sandman, and Dr. Fate or any of the other series continue. IP: Logged
Melkor Member	posted April 04, 2003 06:11 PM If there ae six golden age volumes in2004, I'd like to see: Shazam volume 4 Captain Marvel Junior volume 1 (assuming it's feasible) Mary Marvel volume 1 Dark Knight volume 4--this is too far behind the Detective issues right now and needs to catch up. I'd rather more early golden age Batman stories then Detective stories about to head into the early 1950's. Hawkman volume 1 (assuming we don't get it this year) Blackhawk volume 2 --this is one of the very best war comics in history, and also one of the most enduring --Mark IP: Logged
batfan63 Member	posted April 04, 2003 06:52 PM My dream six 1.) Sandman 2.) Dr. Fate 3.) Dr. Mid nite 4.) Hourman 5.) Hawkman 6.) Wildcat My realistic six 1.) Superman in World's Finest 2.) Shazam 3.) Green Lantern 4.) Flash Volume 2 5.) Superboy 6.) Robin (I think he was in MORE FUN COMICS or ADVENTURE--if anyone knows, I would appreciate it. It would be an interesting archive. IP: Logged
outpost2 Member	posted April 04, 2003 07:21 PM Robin's solo strip appeared in Star Spangled Comics #65-130. I believe it would take 3 volumes to cover it all. IP: Logged
Kamandi Last Boy on Earth Member	posted April 04, 2003 07:30 PM My Picks would be: GA Hawkman Shinging Knight 7 Soldiers of Victory Realisticly I think we'll see More Bats, Supes, and probably Wonder Woman and maybe another volume for GA Green Lantern and/or GA Flash. GA Hawkman or Sandman may have a chance. Since we can't even get 2nd book of SA Hawkman, I'm not holding my breath. IP: Logged
vze2 Member	posted April 04, 2003 08:50 PM quote: Originally posted by Kamandi Last Boy on Earth: Since we can't even get 2nd book of SA Hawkman Why do you say this? I think a 2nd volume of Hawkman is inevitable. Probably next year, but certainly by the end of 2005. IP: Logged
batfan63 Member	posted April 04, 2003 11:35 PM quote: Originally posted by outpost2: Robin's solo strip appeared in Star Spangled Comics #65-130. I believe it would take 3 volumes to cover it all. Thanks for the information. Much appreciated. IP: Logged
Lightning + Chemicals Member	posted April 05, 2003 12:17 AM Hmmm... assuming GA Hawkman 1 in 2003: All Star 10 (given) Plastic Man 6 (IMO, not a given... but we'll put it in here anyway) Wonder Woman 4 Flash 2 (got to be a given....) Starman 2 Blackhawk 2 Superman in Worlds Finest 1 Golden Age 1 This slights Superboy 1 and a GA Batman, so I'm not sure how they can all fit in -- tough problem! IP: Logged
Jack Benny Member	posted April 05, 2003 04:07 AM My Picks 1) Batman in World's Finest #2 2) Flash, GL, and WW in Comics Cavalcade 3) Doll Man 4) Seven Soliders of Victory 5) Blackhawk #2 6) Golden age Green Arrow IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 05, 2003 03:30 PM quote: Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity: OK, I'm assuming 7 volumes in '04. All-Star is a given Wonder Woman seems to appear ever other year Flash, because he is way overdue Starman, to get it out of the way Batman, because the stuff sells, and Dark Knight and WFC have been issued more recently Hawkman. The current title should give this a boost Sandman, because the agitations on this board ought to count for something; right now only Hawkman and Sandman are getting constant discussions. Fate must wait. Damn, there just aren't enough slots! NI, your list is almost the same as mine. What are you positing as the unknown GA vol.1 for 2003?--if you call it Hawkman, that makes room for the Shazam! volume you wanted to put in, and we're in complete correspondence. IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 05, 2003 04:34 PM I'm really hoping the remaining #1 this year is a compilation. Either Comic Cavalcade stuff or the All-Star/Big All-American idea. That's my hope. The likely candidate is Sandman, the less likely is Superboy. After that is one of the above compilations. Should Sandman be this year, then that slot for next year would go to Superman in WFC, not Cap. I'm trying to think with my head and not my heart. I think there is enough difference between GA Superman and SA Superman that they would pull in very different sets of customers. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 05, 2003 05:06 PM Maybe, but we'll probably also have either Supergirl or World's Finest (both if the final Silver Age slot this year is neither). Wouldn't that, plus SA Superman, plus a Golden Age Superman title (three and a half out of fourteen--or even sixteen), be too much of the Superman franchise? We seem to be agreed that between this year and next, we'll probably see both GA Hawkman and GA Sandman, though. IP: Logged

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